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	<title>Comments on: Learning methods: does it matter?</title>
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		<title>By: Ninia</title>
		<link>http://nihongo.3yen.com/2008-05-05/learning-methods-does-it-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-115566</link>
		<dc:creator>Ninia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to the post! Does anybody here have any idea where it&#039;s best to take cursos de inglés en extranjero? I&#039;m making a write up about English courses and I&#039;d like to tackle English courses abroad. I need your individual ideas, especially for those who have had experiences. Several countries that have schools offering the said areas seem to prove itself best, but I need opinions based on independent personal assessment. Good Day!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to the post! Does anybody here have any idea where it&#8217;s best to take cursos de inglés en extranjero? I&#8217;m making a write up about English courses and I&#8217;d like to tackle English courses abroad. I need your individual ideas, especially for those who have had experiences. Several countries that have schools offering the said areas seem to prove itself best, but I need opinions based on independent personal assessment. Good Day!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tae Kim</title>
		<link>http://nihongo.3yen.com/2008-05-05/learning-methods-does-it-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-70310</link>
		<dc:creator>Tae Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the insightful comment Relja. You reminded me that what seems obvious to me now is still new to the people stuck in the classroom, never taking their language studies out into the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insightful comment Relja. You reminded me that what seems obvious to me now is still new to the people stuck in the classroom, never taking their language studies out into the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Relja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Relja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the whole issue of which language learning method is better is at its strongest when you start from the &quot;infomercials&quot; perspective on language learning, which is &quot;I don&#039;t want to spend too much time on this, but I want results ASAP&quot;. However, I guess with languages more than with anything else it really takes time to reach mastery. All the special techniques, mnemonics and similiar stuff are pretty much pointless if you&#039;re only spending 45 minutes every third day on learning a language. Well, they&#039;re not pointless if your goal is an intermediate level some 6-7 years later...

Tae, I think that what seems as common sense to you is in fact not that obvious at all to a lot of people. I think that the horrible formal system of grammar-lovin&#039; language learning has, in a way, left a strong scar on the psyche of most people who want to learn a language - they subconsciously want to turn the studying into formalized out-of-context textbook classes which are so prevailent... &quot;Everybody does it like that, so hey, I guess I&#039;ll do it sort of like that&quot;. I should know, I was like that too. Then I actually put some Japanese music and news in my mp3 and started watching more anime and movies without subtitles and after a few months of a lot of listening I was amazed at my sudden progress, compared to the previous 3 years of almost no progress.

I think that there should be way more emphasis on the real-life material in the target language, more than on anything else, and the immense benefits that being exposed to it gives you, even if you feel quite lost in the beginning. I know I more or less learned English by tons of exposure, and it never really felt like studying, but that&#039;s another story altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole issue of which language learning method is better is at its strongest when you start from the &#8220;infomercials&#8221; perspective on language learning, which is &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to spend too much time on this, but I want results ASAP&#8221;. However, I guess with languages more than with anything else it really takes time to reach mastery. All the special techniques, mnemonics and similiar stuff are pretty much pointless if you&#8217;re only spending 45 minutes every third day on learning a language. Well, they&#8217;re not pointless if your goal is an intermediate level some 6-7 years later&#8230;</p>
<p>Tae, I think that what seems as common sense to you is in fact not that obvious at all to a lot of people. I think that the horrible formal system of grammar-lovin&#8217; language learning has, in a way, left a strong scar on the psyche of most people who want to learn a language &#8211; they subconsciously want to turn the studying into formalized out-of-context textbook classes which are so prevailent&#8230; &#8220;Everybody does it like that, so hey, I guess I&#8217;ll do it sort of like that&#8221;. I should know, I was like that too. Then I actually put some Japanese music and news in my mp3 and started watching more anime and movies without subtitles and after a few months of a lot of listening I was amazed at my sudden progress, compared to the previous 3 years of almost no progress.</p>
<p>I think that there should be way more emphasis on the real-life material in the target language, more than on anything else, and the immense benefits that being exposed to it gives you, even if you feel quite lost in the beginning. I know I more or less learned English by tons of exposure, and it never really felt like studying, but that&#8217;s another story altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://nihongo.3yen.com/2008-05-05/learning-methods-does-it-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-69951</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 10:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think it is commonsense that a plethora of study methods is required to truly get to grips with a language. Informing people of the different study techniques out there is the best way for people to try them out and find the one that they enjoy most. 
(Your blog is great and I know you don&#039;t control the adverts, but please think about moving it somewhere without the date Japanese girls today adverts!! Not helpful when I&#039;m reading this at work :-D )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think it is commonsense that a plethora of study methods is required to truly get to grips with a language. Informing people of the different study techniques out there is the best way for people to try them out and find the one that they enjoy most.<br />
(Your blog is great and I know you don&#8217;t control the adverts, but please think about moving it somewhere without the date Japanese girls today adverts!! Not helpful when I&#8217;m reading this at work :-D )</p>
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		<title>By: QKlilx</title>
		<link>http://nihongo.3yen.com/2008-05-05/learning-methods-does-it-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-69827</link>
		<dc:creator>QKlilx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should add that using a variety of study methods and learning materials which cover all of the aspects of language learning (speech, writing, etc) is the best method. The best language learners know which methods work best for them, but pretty none of them stick to a single method.

In addition, while method 1 might work for person A while studying language X, method 2 might be a better choice for person A while studying language Y. Likewise, person B might find the opposite to be more effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should add that using a variety of study methods and learning materials which cover all of the aspects of language learning (speech, writing, etc) is the best method. The best language learners know which methods work best for them, but pretty none of them stick to a single method.</p>
<p>In addition, while method 1 might work for person A while studying language X, method 2 might be a better choice for person A while studying language Y. Likewise, person B might find the opposite to be more effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Tae Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tae Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cheat and use this:
http://www.kaomojinavi.net/
&lt; (｀ー´)&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cheat and use this:<br />
<a href="http://www.kaomojinavi.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kaomojinavi.net/</a><br />
< (｀ー´)></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100%. The key is spending time with the language in a real world (and preferably immersive) capacity. That&#039;s not to say you&#039;ll learn through osmosis (you won&#039;t), but whatever study methods you do use will have a chance to make a difference.

Also, nice half-hearted attempt at a Japanese-style 顔文字. =p Those things really amaze me sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100%. The key is spending time with the language in a real world (and preferably immersive) capacity. That&#8217;s not to say you&#8217;ll learn through osmosis (you won&#8217;t), but whatever study methods you do use will have a chance to make a difference.</p>
<p>Also, nice half-hearted attempt at a Japanese-style 顔文字. =p Those things really amaze me sometimes.</p>
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